"Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire" (arch-duke-maxyenko) 11/16/2015 at 22:12 • Filed to: None

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Just how different is a Pinto Wagon rear subframe from a 64 Falcon’s? Someone here has to know, right?

Berang > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire 11/16/2015 at 22:17

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http://www.fordpinto.com/index.php?page…

This should help if you can find the dimensions for the Falcon frame.

Blondude > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire 11/16/2015 at 22:18

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Paging Ramblin Rover

scoob > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire 11/16/2015 at 22:20

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How different?

They are about 6 different.

crowmolly > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire 11/16/2015 at 22:21

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Ramblin would probably know

Birddog > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire 11/16/2015 at 22:39

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64 Falcon Frame specs.

RallyWrench > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire 11/17/2015 at 00:53

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Trick question, they don't have rear subframes, per se. Both are live axles with drum brakes, located by leaf springs (unless the wagons are coil sprung, I forget). The axles are probably interchangeable, but the track might be a bit different.

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > RallyWrench 11/17/2015 at 09:09

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I don’t know what definition of subframe you’re using, but subframe as in welded-on-rails-supporting-suspension, absolutely they both have one.

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire 11/17/2015 at 09:15

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Looks like Berang and Birddog have you covered. The answer is, a lot. There’s no continuity of rear subframe to the front spring perches on the Pinto, unlike the Falcon, which also uses 3” longer springs. Springs are apparently set just slightly wider on the Falcon, they’re about 41” center to center and about 38” on the Pinto.

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > crowmolly 11/17/2015 at 09:17

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I’m not that up on Pintos, yet, but Birddog’s info on the Falcon is solid and Berang on the Pinto looks pretty good. Interestingly, it seems Pintos have a lot less “backbone” between the rear axle arch and the front perches and rockers. Because why wouldn’t you want the passenger compartment floor as a crumple zone...

Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 11/17/2015 at 10:11

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Well I’m looking at this http://www.totalcostinvolved.com/p/66/1960-1965…

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire 11/17/2015 at 10:40

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Okay. More becomes clear. If I’m not mistaken the distance from the front spring perch to wheel center-line on the falcon is ~21”, which means that the axle is closer to the front of the spring. That means the lower control links for that Falcon kit are probably (surprisingly) about the right length. The brackets that attach to the subframe would be close, but not exact - very close, in fact. Your width at point of mount is about 42” outside for both, but the Falcon frame is angled. Since you’re right at the end of the Pinto subframe rail, you might actually be able to tweak *that* instead of the kit.

Further on “tweaking things on the Pinto”, there is almost no chance the floorpan matches in any meaningful way... but I think the Falcon one is mostly tighter. So, the 8 bolt holes that secure the front of that kit’s frame probably could be spacered off the pan or be put in the right place with a little cutting/hammering on the floor pan. The only thing is that the Falcon has a crossmember there for attaching the shocks that the kit is depending on for some strength, and there may or may not be anything similar on the Pinto.

RallyWrench > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 11/17/2015 at 11:35

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I define subframes as bolt-on parts to which suspension and drive axles are attached. Welded-in parts of the chassis are just the frame.

Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 11/17/2015 at 11:39

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There is a crossmember if I recall correctly for the Pinto’s shocks. But I’ll check when I get home

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > RallyWrench 11/17/2015 at 11:40

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Yeah, using “subframe” for detachable subframes and unit frame structures does promote confusion, I’ll admit. It’s what everybody else is already doing, though. Maybe just saying “unit subframe” would help clarify.

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire 11/17/2015 at 11:43

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The summary is, anything can be made to work given enough shenanigans, and the shenanigans needed here might not actually be that extensive. Do measure from your shackle point to axle center, though - that will help you figure things out. If you need dimensions of the arc/angle of the rear floorboard and crossmember location in a Falcon, I can probably measure when I get home and AutoCAD up a drawing - not to mention getting an exact measurement on frame inner and frame outer at the point directly over the axle.

Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 11/17/2015 at 11:47

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I’ll probably give TCI a call later today just to see.

and maybe sponsor the build

because racecar.

RallyWrench > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 11/17/2015 at 11:48

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I’m probably a little isolated, having only specialized in and owned European and Japanese cars until picking up my Ferds in the last year and a half. So oddly, I’ve never heard unibody frame structures called subframes before. TIL.

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > RallyWrench 11/17/2015 at 11:50

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It’s realistically the same thing, just non-detachable. “small partial chassis-like structure that suspension and stuff attaches to...” welded in place version .

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire 11/17/2015 at 11:52

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That’s a good point - they might have a dimensional drawing. Interestingly, that upper bar might stiffen the body up a good bit as well.

RallyWrench > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 11/17/2015 at 12:12

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Makes sense that way, but to me “sub-frame” implies that there is another permanent main frame for it to attach to, the welded in part. Oh well, up is down, my belief system is shot and my mind is now full of fuck. ‘Merica.

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > RallyWrench 11/17/2015 at 12:18

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Subframe:frame :: submachine gun:machine gun, or suborbital:orbital. Smaller, lesser in stature, incomplete, a lesser stage/development, etc. etc. Granted, that can still argue for a subframe being something lesser than a frame that still mounts like one (i.e. front detachable subframe, so on), but it’s not something that is subordinate to a greater frame.

Note: subframe:frame is not :: submarine:marine or subsistence:sistence. What is sistence anyway?

RallyWrench > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 11/17/2015 at 12:57

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